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00:30:03 <wonderchook> hey springmeyer, I'm trying to help someone run mapnik with tilecache on windows.  Any interested in saving the day?
00:31:22 <springmeyer> hey wonderchook
00:31:50 <wonderchook> springmeyer: familiar with this Adam Estrada dude that sends you emails about you being his mapnik hero?;)
00:32:10 <springmeyer> heh
00:32:45 <wonderchook> he fed me steak and wine in an attempt to help him;)
00:32:48 <springmeyer> he did not appear to pay close (much) attention to my responses
00:33:13 <wonderchook> I'll make him send me your responses
00:33:23 <springmeyer> well I can boil it down
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00:33:29 <GeoDAWG\> oye
00:33:57 <springmeyer> cached tiled != WMS
00:34:31 <GeoDAWG\> understood
00:35:18 <springmeyer> tilecache in front of Mapnik offers WMS-C
00:36:09 <GeoDAWG\> Dane, Adam here ;-)
00:36:24 <springmeyer> which only works with clients that make perfect WMS requests that hit exact tiles, aka OpenLayers
00:36:58 <wonderchook> springmeyer: so the tiles are generated running generate_tiles.py but we can't get them to render dynamically
00:37:14 <wonderchook> getting an error that it can't find the mapnik module
00:37:23 <springmeyer> whats "it" ?
00:37:42 <wonderchook> sorry, the error is on geodawg\'s computer
00:37:48 <springmeyer> k
00:38:18 <GeoDAWG\> An error occurred: No module named mapnik
00:38:18 <GeoDAWG\>   File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\cgi-bin\TileCache\Service.py", line 323, in cgiHandler
00:38:18 <GeoDAWG\>     format, image = service.dispatchRequest( params, path_info, req_method, host )
00:38:18 <GeoDAWG\>   File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\cgi-bin\TileCache\Service.py", line 208, in dispatchRequest
00:38:19 <GeoDAWG\>     return self.renderTile(tile, params.has_key('FORCE'))
00:38:21 <GeoDAWG\>   File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\cgi-bin\TileCache\Service.py", line 138, in renderTile
00:38:24 <GeoDAWG\>     data = layer.render(tile, force=force)
00:38:28 <GeoDAWG\>   File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\cgi-bin\TileCache\Layer.py", line 435, in render
00:38:31 <GeoDAWG\>     image = self.renderMetaTile(metatile, tile)
00:38:33 <GeoDAWG\>   File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\cgi-bin\TileCache\Layer.py", line 395, in renderMetaTile
00:38:36 <GeoDAWG\>     data = self.renderTile(metatile)
00:38:38 <GeoDAWG\>   File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Apache Software Foundation\Apache2.2\cgi-bin\TileCache\Layers\Mapnik.py", line 27, in renderTile
00:38:38 <springmeyer> dude
00:38:41 <GeoDAWG\>     import mapnik
00:38:43 <GeoDAWG\> I am running CGI just to get it working
00:38:45 <springmeyer> http://dpaste.com
00:38:51 <GeoDAWG\> rgr
00:39:17 <springmeyer> okay, so Mapnik is not installed right, gocha
00:39:25 <GeoDAWG\> wonderchook is hell-bent on making me look stupid
00:39:59 <GeoDAWG\> actually I can run import mapnik and all is well
00:40:18 <springmeyer> just not once deployed within apache?
00:40:30 <GeoDAWG\> yeah
00:40:41 <springmeyer> how did you install Mapnik?
00:41:13 <GeoDAWG\> I walked through the steps on the mapnik website...but for windows
00:41:33 <springmeyer> sure, so using OSGEO4W or manually setting environment variables?
00:41:42 <GeoDAWG\> had to create a bunch of env variables
00:42:08 <springmeyer> right, so those ENV variables - did you set at the user level or SYSTEM?
00:42:19 <GeoDAWG\> all system
00:42:21 <springmeyer> my guess would be that you need to set at the system level for Apache
00:42:22 <springmeyer> k
00:43:21 <springmeyer> well, I'd first go back and make sure
00:43:30 <springmeyer> that you have a SYSTEM PYTHONPATH variable
00:43:50 <springmeyer> that points to the folder than contains the python bindings
00:44:25 <springmeyer> e.g. C:\mapnik_0_7_0\python\2.5\site-packages
00:45:14 <GeoDAWG\> yep
00:45:23 <GeoDAWG\> that's where it's pointing to
00:45:58 <springmeyer> and on a normal command line what does this give:
00:46:02 <springmeyer> $ python
00:46:06 <springmeyer> >>> import mapnik
00:46:14 <springmeyer> >>> mapnik.__file__
00:46:15 <GeoDAWG\> I Wonder if this could all be a windows 7 issue?
00:46:23 <GeoDAWG\> Windows 7 was not my idea
00:47:05 <GeoDAWG\> 'C:\\mapnik_0_7_0\\python\\2.5\\site-packages\\mapnik\\__init__.py'
00:47:30 <springmeyer> I doubt windows 7 is the problem
00:47:40 <springmeyer> unless you are getting other errors
00:47:53 <springmeyer> "No module named foo" is about the simpliest python error in the book
00:48:01 <springmeyer> and just means that something is not installed
00:48:24 <springmeyer> or in this case is not on `sys.path` of the apache user
00:48:30 <springmeyer> so, effectively not installed
00:52:32 <GeoDAWG\> I hear ya...everything *should* be working and it's not
00:54:58 <springmeyer> GeoDAWG\: try this:
00:55:02 <springmeyer> http://pastie.org/869727
00:55:39 <springmeyer> essentially my idea is to throw an error at that exact point and show Python's sys.path
00:55:51 <springmeyer> so we can see if 'C:\mapnik_0_7_0\python\2.5\site-packages' is in it
00:56:45 <springmeyer> btw, you are running Python25? Sure you did not install the bindings for 25 but are actually running Python 26?
00:57:19 <GeoDAWG\> 25
00:59:47 <wonderchook> springmeyer: btw GeoDAWG is going to give me money to buy both of us beers at Where;)
01:01:08 <springmeyer> yep, should be a fun time this year
01:01:46 <wonderchook> yeah I'm booth babe'ing it for OSM, though if I get a schedule up I might not have to do it too much;)
01:03:35 <GeoDAWG\> yeah...you guys will be drinking good beers on me ;-)
01:05:24 <springmeyer> wonderchook: right on :)
01:06:03 <GeoDAWG\> http://pastie.org/869738
01:06:16 <GeoDAWG\> with your code in place
01:06:48 <springmeyer> well, something got messed up with the indenting
01:07:09 <springmeyer> I'm only asking you to add that one line
01:07:16 <springmeyer> (with the + in front of it)
01:07:31 <springmeyer> but of course don't add the +
01:08:04 <springmeyer> make sure its indented the same as the lines below, and with SPACES not TABS
01:08:48 <GeoDAWG\> that's what I added
01:13:46 <GeoDAWG\> Kate must have horked my computer
01:14:35 <springmeyer> well what text editor are you using?
01:15:21 <GeoDAWG\> Notepad++
01:15:56 <springmeyer> hm, that should be fine
01:16:07 <springmeyer> check your line endings perhaps?
01:17:39 <GeoDAWG\> yeah...all is well, brosif
01:17:53 <GeoDAWG\> I may try it again on a clean VM tomorrow
01:23:30 <GeoDAWG\> springmeyer: I really appreciate all the help you've given me! This is new territory for me and I've having trouble getting everything to work as needed
01:23:50 <wonderchook> and I'm apparently a windows idiot!
01:24:07 <wonderchook> ;)
01:24:16 <GeoDAWG\> Well hey...casa de #geodawg is all Mac all the time
01:24:29 <GeoDAWG\> my clients are Windows people
01:24:36 <springmeyer> GeoDAWG\: problems so far all seem related to understanding setup and usage of Python language
01:24:48 <springmeyer> maybe getting a Python for Windows book er something?
01:25:08 <GeoDAWG\> got one...it's for 2.6 though ;-)
01:25:20 <springmeyer> should work just fine
01:26:06 <GeoDAWG\> I've been using Python for years now...I think my problem is using Python mixed in with web services
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09:04:17 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Ticket #290 (Demtools feature integration with Mapnik) updated | http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/290#comment:4
09:18:37 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Changeset [1694]: use map instead of unavailable unordered_map, in case of boost 1.35 | http://trac.mapnik.org/changeset/1694
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15:20:40 <kredik> Hi all, i am trying to compile mapnik on windows (XP & vc 7). My last problem - I hope :) - is with lib ltdl. Does anyone kown if it is possible to compile this library for win32 ?
15:21:09 <artem> kredic: yes
15:22:16 <kredik> in the distrib, there is only the configure script
15:22:56 <kredik> and it looks quit difficiult to manually create a valid config.h file.
15:25:18 <kredik> artem: any precisions about that ?
15:30:32 <artem> kredik: I don't have access to win32 at the moment, but I recall it wasn't too difficult.. you can try pre-built binaries from gnuwin32 ?
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15:31:20 <artem> kredik: ping later on and I'll have a look
15:31:32 <artem> ping me later :)
15:39:32 <kredik> artem : ok, thanks. the gnuwin32 is for vc6. i am afraid that there is a too big time zone diffrence between us... i will try to hack the config file.
15:44:09 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: CentOS/RHEL edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/CentOS/RHEL?version=5
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18:10:24 <springmeyer> kredik: you keeping notes on your setup?
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19:22:55 <Gnonthgol> I get 'Could not find required header or shared library for boost thread' when compiling mapnik on gentoo?
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19:51:44 <Gnonthgol> I get 'Could not find required header or shared library for boost thread' when compiling mapnik on gentoo?
19:52:05 <Ldp__> 0.7.x or trunk?
19:52:13 <springmeyer> Gnonthgol: can you http://dpaste.com your 'config.log' ?
19:54:09 <Gnonthgol> the problem is that boost does not come with libboost_thread-s but libboost_therad-mt-s
19:55:15 <Gnonthgol> is it safe to symlink it?
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19:58:55 <springmeyer> Gnonthgol: yes
19:59:14 <springmeyer> Gnonthgol: can you http://dpaste.com the output of
19:59:22 <springmeyer> ls -l /usr/lib/libboost*
19:59:34 <springmeyer> ... assuming boost on gentoo gets installed in /usr/lib
19:59:50 <Gnonthgol> springmeyer: id does
19:59:51 <springmeyer> Ldp__: I feel like we ran into this thread issue before but I thought we fixed it...
20:00:06 <springmeyer> Gnonthgol: what version of Mapnik are you installing?
20:00:22 <Gnonthgol> 0.6.1
20:00:35 <springmeyer> can you try 0.7.1 ?
20:00:54 <springmeyer> svn co http://svn.mapnik.org/branches/0.7.1-dev/
20:01:13 <Gnonthgol> It starts compiling when I symlinked it
20:01:32 <springmeyer> okay, but please do the pastes I requested
20:01:39 <springmeyer> because it would be good to have a proper fix
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20:03:25 <Gnonthgol> http://dpaste.com/172271/
20:05:05 <Gnonthgol> springmeyer: Note that gentoo uses a program (eselect) to manage all symlinks. That enables you to install two versions in paralell and switch easy
20:06:06 <Gnonthgol> In the paste I have symlinked libboost_thread-s.a -> libboost_thread-mt-s.a
20:29:43 <springmeyer> Gnonthgol: great, thanks
20:29:52 <springmeyer> I have to step out now but I'll take a closer look
20:30:00 <springmeyer> either way great that the symlink worked
20:30:23 <springmeyer> Gnonthgol: can you also http://dpaste.com your config.log ?
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21:08:37 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Changeset [1695]: + merge ctors | http://trac.mapnik.org/changeset/1695
21:08:47 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Changeset [1696]: re factor expression grammar/parser stuff | http://trac.mapnik.org/changeset/1696
21:08:57 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Changeset [1697]: Revert "re factor expression grammar/parser stuff"  This reverts commit  ... | http://trac.mapnik.org/changeset/1697
21:13:46 <artem> springmeyer: hey there
21:14:20 <artem> springmeyer: great work submitting gsoc app
21:14:35 <artem> springmeyer: milestone 0.7.1
21:14:36 <nikq> No Milestone for that release number
21:15:00 <artem> springmeyer: should we release this week ?
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22:08:49 <springmeyer> hey artem!
22:08:53 * springmeyer just back
22:08:56 <artem> hey
22:09:06 <springmeyer> thanks, yes gsoc app is in
22:09:20 <artem> fantastic
22:09:48 <artem> 0.7.1 is looking good, but I'm getting errors and a few warnings on win32
22:10:00 <springmeyer> yes, 0.7.1 release sounds great
22:10:08 * springmeyer looks at commits above...
22:10:27 <artem> those are small tweaks in trunks
22:10:28 <springmeyer> ah, those are trunk
22:10:30 <springmeyer> :)
22:10:32 <springmeyer> k
22:11:07 <artem> I'll fix windows stuff tomorrow, otherwise we're set ?
22:11:32 <springmeyer> yes, I think so
22:11:47 <artem> great
22:11:59 <springmeyer> I can do a build for osx by wednesday
22:12:33 <springmeyer> so maybe shoot for announcing friday?
22:12:50 <artem> ok, sure
22:14:15 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Ticket #515 (PostGIS driver does not work on BIG_ENDIAN systems) updated | http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/515#comment:4
22:15:13 <springmeyer> I look forward to getting 0.7.1 out
22:15:28 <springmeyer> seems more people that I thought would be resisting compiling boost from source
22:15:43 <springmeyer> so it will feel good to have that stable release for folks
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22:19:00 <nevizem> hello ppl.. wondering if anyone is available to assist a noob
22:19:29 <springmeyer> nevizem: feel free to ask questions
22:19:53 <nevizem> hi springmeyer
22:20:42 <nevizem> so i'm at the stage where i believe i've submitted my zip to cloud and started an instance.. but nothing seems to show up in the output queue
22:21:00 <springmeyer> artem: not sure if you saw r1649? bit risky but its been working well and solved a number of problems users have had linking on linux/osx
22:21:01 <nikq> http://trac.mapnik.org/changeset/1649, at , by dane: scons: add options to allow controlling link order (and include order) sent by SCons to the linker line, as predictably /usr/lib would come first and take preference over paths such as /usr/local/lib
22:21:38 <springmeyer> nevizem: this is MapBox/TileMill ?
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22:21:44 <nevizem> yup
22:22:07 <springmeyer> nevizem: do you have Mapnik installed locally on your machine?
22:22:22 <artem> springmeyer: yes, I did see it but didn't dive into the code. Seems to work fine for me
22:22:40 <springmeyer> artem: k, great
22:22:56 <nevizem> springmeyer: i had it installed to work with tilelite.. do i need for mapbox/tilemill?
22:23:14 <springmeyer> I think in the future there is a better solution, that will also solve #525
22:23:14 <nikq> Ticket #525: SCons CheckLibWithHeader should not use all libraries but actually target specific lib and header, http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/525
22:23:20 <springmeyer> but I think this is good for now
22:23:32 <springmeyer> nevizem: no, you don't
22:23:45 <springmeyer> nevizem: just would be good to make sure the XML you are submitting works locally first
22:23:50 <springmeyer> sounds like you've done that?
22:24:17 <artem> cool! see you tomorrow
22:24:21 <nevizem> my tilelite and tilemill setups or different comps, but it was working with tilelite ya
22:24:26 <springmeyer> okay, see you artem
22:24:31 <nevizem> *setups are on
22:24:44 <springmeyer> nevizem: okay, are the paths in the XML relative?
22:24:50 <artem> springmeyer: I'll ping you tomorrow with win32 results
22:24:54 <springmeyer> great
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22:25:00 <springmeyer> I'll  set friday in trac
22:26:12 <nevizem> hmm.. would appear so.. '../desktop/blah/blah'
22:26:21 <springmeyer> nevizem: okay
22:26:39 <springmeyer> nevizem: so, next thing to check:
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22:26:59 <springmeyer> the buckets you created, do they have proper read/write permissions?
22:28:13 <nevizem> not sure... can't check that with s3cmd can ya?
22:29:29 <springmeyer> well, should be easy with various s3 clients
22:29:48 <springmeyer> I don't know the command line way to do it, but I bet thats not hard either
22:38:47 <nevizem> springmeyer: what should the proper permissions be? currently its only the owner that has full access
22:39:32 <springmeyer> I don't know, just a hunch that that could be an issue. to be save I'd make it readable by all
22:39:38 <springmeyer> willwhite: you know?
22:41:53 <willwhite> hey nevizem: as public as possible is good for debugging purposes.
22:45:51 <nevizem> thanks willwhite.. jus trying to get permission changes to stick..
22:55:46 <nevizem> springmeyer: i'm going to need to figure out how to make the permission changes stick, but after that what else should i be aware of
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22:56:59 <springmeyer> another tip is to check the logs of the instance TileMill boots up and see if you see anything wrong
23:05:09 <nevizem> i see that mnt/osm is not accessible... issue there?
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23:12:53 <nevizem> springmeyer: willwhite just wanted to say thanks for your time and help.. don't be surprised if i'm back with more questions... see you around..
23:13:11 <willwhite> nevizem: no problem. Good luck!
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