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05:57:46 <StormTide> is the mapnik-devel list shut down?
05:59:49 <springmeyer> StormTide: not that I know of. an email came in today
06:00:13 <springmeyer> hmm, but I notice that I was cc'ed on an email today that I thought came to the list but didn't
06:00:13 <StormTide> really? ive not gotten any, and the list archives site doesnt have anything after feb somethingerother
06:00:16 <springmeyer> ruh roh
06:00:28 <springmeyer> must be something wrong
06:00:44 <StormTide> http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/mapnik-devel/ i think its borked
06:00:48 <springmeyer> I've not noticed because cc'ing is so common and my email still sorts into the list box
06:01:03 <StormTide> which probably explains why ive not heard a peep on the licensing question
06:01:10 <springmeyer> ya, I'll send artem an email now to see if you can check on things...
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06:08:39 <springmeyer> done
06:08:50 <springmeyer> hopefully he'll get that in the morning
06:09:16 <StormTide> kew thx
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10:11:55 <Dominic320> Good morning!
10:12:03 <Dominic320> I m back with a new problem ;)
10:12:35 <Dominic320> when i run generate_tiles.py, I get "RuntimeError: Could not create datasource. No plugin found for type 'postgis' (encountered during parsing of layer 'leisure')"
10:22:45 <Dominic320> I found an email saying that I should run scons with PG_CONFIG=/opt/PostgreSQL/8.3/bin/ option
10:22:52 <Dominic320> i set it as shown
10:23:24 <Dominic320> and pg_config is in this folder, still, when i start, it tells me Checking for pg_config... error: no result
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10:27:01 <Dominic320> well, I added it to my PATH, now it finds it, I m recompiling now... we ll see what happens
10:50:44 <Dominic320> YEAH!!! It working !
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12:58:35 <klabattermann> Hello, I have some questions about mapnik / mod_tiles / renderd
12:58:50 <klabattermann> 1.) Is there a possibility to see the render-queue?
12:59:45 <klabattermann> 2.) is there a possibility to render tiles automatically if they are older than x
13:02:10 <klabattermann> 3.) is anybody here who can answer 1 + 2 ;-)
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15:07:45 <xreal> Any GDAL expert in here?
15:09:36 <rweait> try #gdal maybe?
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15:11:01 <xreal> rweait: No answer in there ;(
15:11:49 <rweait> bummer.  I'm no gdal expert, but go ahead and ask.  Perhaps somebody will be inspired?
15:13:18 <klabattermann> rweait: I asked some questions before you joined this channel. sadly there is no answer yet. Can you tell me where i can find the render-queue on a mapnik - mod_tiles - renderd- installation?
15:13:28 <xreal> I want to create a polygon or mask from an aerial imagery. The "outline border".
15:14:11 <rweait> klabattermann: I believe that the render queue is built in to renderd, but don't quote me on that.
15:15:02 <klabattermann> so there is no chance to see how many tiles there are in the render-queue?
15:15:24 <klabattermann> and is there a possibility to re-render tiles on request if they are older than x?
15:15:40 <rweait> klabattermann I saw a post yesterday announcing tirex, a new renderd / mod_tiles replacement.  It is said to have modular / customizable queues.
15:16:29 <rweait> xreal: is an aerial image not "just pixels"?  This may be way over my head.
15:18:36 <rweait> klabattermann: tirex announcement http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openstreetmap.org/msg10730.html
15:18:41 <klabattermann> rweait: where did you see the post? is there a special mailing-list and / or documentation-page for mod_tiles / renderd / mapnik?
15:18:57 <rweait> It was on the OSM-dev list.
15:19:26 <rweait> lists.openstreetmap.org for all of your osm mailing list delights.
15:21:02 <klabattermann> rweait: thanks. the post is very interesting
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16:50:34 <StormTide> artem / springmeyer i got the reposting, but still dont see anything from the list....
16:51:03 <StormTide> its not _a_ post that got lost but all posts for the last couple weeks i think
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19:16:41 <ojw> is there list of projections and their options somewhere?
19:19:22 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010?version=9
19:19:38 <springmeyer> hey ojw
19:20:32 <springmeyer> Mapnik uses Proj4, which can handle just about everything, and http://spatialreference.org lists the Mapnik syntax needed to create them
19:22:07 <springmeyer> for example, the google merc/900913 is here: http://spatialreference.org/ref/sr-org/6/
19:22:17 <ojw> I've got the proj4 document open. e.g. http://www.remotesensing.org/geotiff/proj_list/equirectangular.html - so how does that translate into a prj = Projection("+proj=merc"... code?  +proj=Equirectangular gives an error, although proj4 lists that as its official name
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19:24:02 <springmeyer> try:
19:24:03 <springmeyer> +proj=eqc
19:24:35 <springmeyer> I did this search:
19:24:37 <springmeyer> http://spatialreference.org/ref/?search=Equirectangular&srtext=Search
19:24:45 <springmeyer> and noticed some of those use that shorthand
19:25:44 <ojw> ok that works
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19:27:33 <ojw> thanks
19:27:47 <springmeyer> nice
19:27:57 * springmeyer <-- dumb luck
19:30:01 <springmeyer> ojw: if you are doing stuff with mapnik and custom projections, beware that you may need to clip your input geometries before hand
19:30:16 <springmeyer> to make sure they are valid geometries that proj4 can transform...
19:30:42 <springmeyer> as Mapnik has low tolerance for failures in proj_transform (#308)
19:30:48 <springmeyer> #308
19:30:48 <nikq> Ticket #308: Doesn't display feature if another (possibly invalid) feature is present, http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/308
19:33:04 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010/Application created | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010/Application?version=1
19:34:56 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010/Application edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010/Application?version=2
19:35:16 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010?version=10
19:36:07 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010/Ideas created | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010/Ideas?version=1
19:36:58 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010?version=11
19:37:58 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010?version=12
19:38:19 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010?version=13
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19:54:42 <ojw> I just changed sample program to use eqc projection instead of merc, and a map of 52N1W comes out showing an area around 45N1W
19:59:43 <springmeyer> ojw: not what you hoped for? :)
19:59:49 <ojw> http://pastebin.com/DVU8V3nN
20:00:41 <ojw> give an image of the area around http://osm.org/go/eqsLJUP-
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20:05:13 <springmeyer> ojw: two ideas:
20:05:34 <springmeyer> m.srs = prj.params() # on ~ line 11
20:05:51 <springmeyer> also you can drop line 18
20:05:53 <springmeyer> and just do
20:06:11 <springmeyer> im.save(filename)
20:08:02 <ojw> that works!  thanks again.  what does m.srs mean?
20:08:33 <springmeyer> m.srs is the spatial reference system at the map level
20:08:43 <springmeyer> so, what you want the map to be displayed in
20:08:56 <springmeyer> and that all layers will be re-projected into
20:09:09 <springmeyer> in this case map srs is read from the osm.xml
20:09:16 <springmeyer> so you have to set that after load_map()
20:09:49 <springmeyer> to override whatever is in osm.xml (or the default lon/lat srs that Mapnik uses if nothing is specified in the xml)
20:10:02 * jburgess has been thinking of applying that change into the default OSM scripts
20:10:30 <springmeyer> hey jburgess
20:10:39 <jburgess> I think it works on all non-ancient mapnik versions
20:10:56 <ojw> aha, so srs="&srs900913;" in the xml file was conflicting with what the python was asking for
20:11:07 <jburgess> right, they both have to match
20:11:59 <jburgess> well, they do if you want to get a sensible result
20:12:49 <jburgess> I think the original OSM scripts were written before the python bindings supported map.srs
20:14:15 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010?version=14
20:16:09 <StormTide> springmeyer, fyi, devel seems to be back working, just got a msg
20:16:25 <springmeyer> StormTide: cool, that is good
20:16:44 <StormTide> actually, nevermind, that could be coming through on mapnik users
20:16:46 <StormTide> im not sure
20:17:09 <StormTide> subject line says [Mapnik-devel] tho
20:18:49 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010/Ideas edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010/Ideas?version=2
20:19:10 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: GSOC2010/Ideas edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010/Ideas?version=3
20:19:40 <jburgess> springmeyer: it looks like been noticing various delayed emails recently, eg. this email which was delayed by 7 hours between these to routing hops @ mail.berlios.de http://pastebin.ca/1830578
20:20:32 <springmeyer> ya, I notified artem this morning after StormTide noticed and he forward a few
20:20:57 <springmeyer> I don't have access to the berlios mailman interface to help at all, but I'm concerned
20:22:13 <springmeyer> so, guys 'pretty' please add to/edit http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010/Ideas
20:23:29 <springmeyer> jburgess: I'm sure migurski would love any support or ideas on fleshing out the 'Layer Composites' one
20:24:42 <jburgess> I don't know if it is just berlios, I think I had a burst of delayed emails a few days ago from several lists. Perhaps there is some major spamming going on
20:25:38 <springmeyer> ah, curious
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20:35:48 <artem> hey dane
20:37:42 *** artem changed the topic to: "Mapnik - C++/Python Toolkit | Mapnik 0.7.1-dev"
20:39:15 <springmeyer> hey artem!
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20:39:30 <StormTide> looks like the gangs all here ;)
20:39:32 <springmeyer> how are you?
20:39:42 <artem> Im good :)
20:39:51 <artem> yourself?
20:40:30 <springmeyer> I'm good :)
20:41:02 <artem> great, re: gsoc are you planning to mentor ?
20:42:25 <springmeyer> yes, I plan to be available as a formal mentor as well as handling admin/paperwork/stuff
20:42:49 <artem> sounds great
20:42:58 <springmeyer> I'm kind of waiting for/hoping for more involvement until I throw my ideas down for mentoring
20:43:13 <artem> sure
20:43:44 <springmeyer> Ideally we could have a 2-to-1 mentor student ratio
20:44:17 <springmeyer> so, keep things (assuming we get accepted) just just a small set of projects
20:46:28 <springmeyer> e.g. the stamen guys have listed so good, ambitious ideas. ideally would be good to partner two mentors, one with more c++ experience, one with goals in mind
20:49:21 <artem> ok
20:57:17 <springmeyer> see: http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoringGuide
20:57:40 <springmeyer> Participant Roles > Mentor
20:57:44 <springmeyer> for a good summary
20:57:55 <springmeyer> I think I'll send that to the mailing list
20:59:03 <springmeyer> essentially the commitment is to be available for frequent support to the student, and to be able to dish off questions to the right person
20:59:14 <artem> sounds good, thanks
20:59:27 <rweait> Is mapnik in gsoc as well as osm?
20:59:45 <springmeyer> and I'll handle all admin, like letting mentors know what to do, when..
21:00:09 <artem> rweait: not sure
21:00:15 <springmeyer> rweait: yes, and if we are accepted its likely the actual projects will/should have cross over
21:00:21 <springmeyer> with both osm and osgeo
21:01:16 <springmeyer> I've been in contact with both the osm and osgeo "Admins" and they are both supportive
21:01:38 <rweait> Super.
21:01:42 <springmeyer> of collaboration in general and Mapnik giving a shot at applying as standalone org first off
21:01:58 <rweait> Are either of you planning to do a mapnik2 workshop at sotm?
21:02:06 <springmeyer> since I think the goog likes collaboration across two mentoring orgs, so Mapnik as own mentoring org is nice
21:02:45 <springmeyer> rweait: good idea, I've not been to SOTM before, so I personally figured I'd just be available/around to assist
21:02:52 <springmeyer> but am not planning anything formal
21:03:37 <artem> rweait: I'd love to come to sotm and workshop, present etc we'll see
21:04:17 <CIA-29> mapnik-utils: cmarqu42 * r914 /sandbox/cascadenik/hike_n_bike/paths.mss: Ideas in comments.
21:04:17 <CIA-29> mapnik-utils: cmarqu42 * r915 /sandbox/cascadenik/hike_n_bike/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Invert bunker symbol.
21:04:21 <springmeyer> artem: I might get to meet you :)
21:04:47 <artem> would be cool
21:05:16 <artem> but you were at fossg4 in Victoria, right ?
21:05:25 <Ldp__> springmeyer: US SOTM or the Barcelona one?
21:05:47 <springmeyer> yes I was artem - some maybe we did meet but I did not know about mapnik at that point
21:06:04 <artem> Ldp__: ?? I thought it was Girona ?
21:06:18 <Ldp__> oh right, Italy :)
21:06:36 <Ldp__> <running joke>
21:06:48 * springmeyer has a best friends wedding the weekend of the US SOTM, bummer bummer
21:07:05 <cmarqu> We all know it's in Portugal really, who are you trying to kid!
21:07:12 <springmeyer> rweait: I was assuming you mean SOTM in girona?
21:07:46 <rweait> springmeyer: Yes
21:08:30 <springmeyer> rweait: cool, and ivan contacted me about foss4g, roped me in to help
21:08:43 <springmeyer> so now I am going to rope you in :)
21:09:01 <rweait> I'd love to be there as well, but two European vacations ....?
21:09:13 <springmeyer> heh, no kidding
21:09:28 <springmeyer> artem: this is foss4g conference workshop on osm rendering in Barcelona in September
21:09:46 <CIA-29> mapnik-utils: cmarqu42 * r916 /sandbox/cascadenik/hike_n_bike/img/svg-twotone-png/ (military_bunker.n.14.png military_bunker.n.16.png): Remove white-on-brown bunker symbol.
21:09:53 * springmeyer plans to help Ivan sanchez with mapnik part
21:10:11 <springmeyer> cmarqu is actually getting something done right now :)
21:10:41 <cmarqu> :)
21:10:56 <cmarqu> The military is paying me as you can see.
21:11:05 <springmeyer> ya, was gonna say :)
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22:07:40 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Ticket #475 (Rendring raster border bug) closed | http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/475#comment:12
22:10:54 * springmeyer hey artem
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22:36:17 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Ticket #503 (Add tolerance to the features_at_point() query in the PostGIS plugin) updated | http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/503#comment:3
22:36:32 <rweait> Should change libboost to v 1.41 for trunk in the instructions.
22:42:02 <springmeyer> which instructions rweait ?
22:42:37 <rweait> http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/UbuntuInstallation for mapnik2
22:42:59 <springmeyer> ah, right
22:43:07 <springmeyer> I've been keeping them here: http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/Mapnik2
22:43:22 <springmeyer> but its likely time to drop that page and integrate
22:43:27 * rweait bookmarks ....
22:44:04 * springmeyer blew away patch for fixing 1.41 build, that was not smart
22:44:08 * springmeyer goes to restore...
22:53:33 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Mapnik2 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/Mapnik2?version=20
22:58:48 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Mapnik2 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/Mapnik2?version=21
22:59:19 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Mapnik2 edited | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/Mapnik2?version=22
23:13:55 <springmeyer> Ldp_'s haiti map in: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/tim_berners_lee_the_year_open_data_went_worldwide.html
23:14:40 <StormTide> cool
23:17:21 <StormTide> gotta love berners-lee
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