00:00:13 <dkb> When I first started I was also confused even why there was this Mapnik on OSM and Mapnik on mapnik.org.
00:00:37 <springmeyer> huh?
00:00:45 <dkb> One being the actual renderer and one for support files for rendering OSM data.
00:00:47 <springmeyer> explain a bit more?
00:01:20 <dkb> you have http://svn.mapnik.org and http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik
00:02:09 <dkb> both refer to themselves as "Mapnik"
00:02:28 <springmeyer> its just a folder name though? right?
00:02:35 <springmeyer> is there something that could be in http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/README
00:02:39 <springmeyer> that would help more?
00:03:35 <dkb> I'm not exactly sure.. I understand the difference now and its hard to go back to the complete "newbie" mind-set.. so am doing a brain-dump on what stumped me.
00:04:09 <springmeyer> okay, helpful to know
00:04:54 <springmeyer> I certainly agree about the possibility for confusion, just not sure the best place to remedy
00:05:37 <dkb> I think changing the folder name on openstreetmap to indicate more that it is more support files for rendering OSM using Mapnik then the actual mapnik renderer.
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00:10:46 <dkb> Basically I started the entire project creating a directory to hold all the map related "stuff".. so I checked out Mapnik from mapnik.org and then at some point realized I needed this "mapnik" folder from openstreetmap.org as well.  They are both the same folders so that was strange.. I thought maybe the openstreetmap.org simply contained the entire mapnik.org files + stuff for rendering OSM data.
00:13:07 <dkb> "both the same" as in folder names I meant
00:14:29 <dkb> Looks like maps for Chile may be in order
00:16:39 <springmeyer> dkb: I think renaming that folder would create a level of confusion too, but I get your point
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00:44:40 <Ldp__> springmeyer: dkb says it best. 'Mapnik' in OSM parlance means the actual map that users see the first time they visit OSM
00:44:53 <Ldp__> and people have no idea what's behind all this
00:45:46 <springmeyer> which, frankly I see as a kind of complement to the wizardy of many osm contributers :)
00:46:55 <springmeyer> Ldp__: if you'd stop making it look so good this problem might go away ;)
00:48:55 <Ldp__> ha!
00:49:30 <Ldp__> we should make a tiles@home kind of 'anything goes' to stop all these 'you have to render my pet tag' requests! :)
00:49:56 <Ldp__> throw every symbol you can on the map, do allow_overlap="true" and clear_label_cache="yes" across the board :)
00:50:21 <springmeyer> oh ya, spagetti!
00:50:26 <Ldp__> and make ginormous aerialway symbols spanning half the screen on 1280x1024
00:50:33 <springmeyer> lol
00:51:41 * springmeyer did an allow_overlap=True map yesterday: http://dbsgeo.com/haitimaps/damage.html
00:51:48 <springmeyer> (click through gmaps key error)
00:52:19 <Ldp__> yeah, same as I needed for Haiti
00:52:30 <springmeyer> thats the UNOSAT,WB, and others damage assessement
00:52:36 <springmeyer> yes
00:52:38 <Ldp__> although I haven't kept up with current tagging, but have been nagged a few times to incorporate the PAHO list :/
00:52:53 <springmeyer> PAHO ?
00:53:13 <Ldp__> which all seemed to revolve around medical facilities. Most of which we already show, as long as they tag with amenity=hospital
00:53:47 <Ldp__> and then someone removed name:ht from many place names, which made me even sadder :(
00:54:12 <springmeyer> ah
00:56:33 <Ldp__> PAHO: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Status/Hospitals#PAHO.2FWHO_specific_tags
00:57:43 <Ldp__> I see they have svg symbols on the page, so might give it a go tomorrow
00:58:00 * Ldp__ roots for SVG support in mapnik, again
00:59:02 <springmeyer> no kidding, even that simple map I pasted above screamed for it
01:00:44 <springmeyer> I've bugged artem to take a closer look at the existing patch, but I'm not sure he's had a good look yet (enough to determine next steps)
01:01:13 <Ldp__> if it's about the added dependency, my vote is: who cares?
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01:09:21 <springmeyer> people not on linux that will then be required to have the whole gnome/gdk tookchain (handful new deps)
01:09:45 <springmeyer> but ya, if we're okay with windows likely not having the support, its still worth it
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01:10:13 <Ldp__> are you talking about just people compiling it themselves, or also the binary windows distribution?
01:10:32 <Ldp__> (and mac)
01:10:46 <springmeyer> both
01:13:39 <springmeyer> mostly mac from source, and windows binary would be the concerns
01:19:01 <Ldp__> bummer
01:26:53 <springmeyer> we'll solve it, just need to prioritize the discussion
01:29:15 <springmeyer> my personal priorities are 0.7.1, then trying to get trunk tests/stability more restored, then tickets like svg
01:30:49 <Ldp__> agreed
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06:59:44 <dodobas> yello
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11:46:42 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Ticket #475 (Rendring raster border bug) updated | http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/475#comment:3
11:47:33 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: mapnik-0.7.1.mr.raster-position.diff attached to Ticket #475 | http://trac.mapnik.org/attachment/ticket/475/mapnik-0.7.1.mr.raster-position.diff
11:47:54 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: mapnik-trunk.mr.raster-position.diff attached to Ticket #475 | http://trac.mapnik.org/attachment/ticket/475/mapnik-trunk.mr.raster-position.diff
11:48:48 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: raster.pos.gif attached to Ticket #475 | http://trac.mapnik.org/attachment/ticket/475/raster.pos.gif
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16:12:25 <nikq> Mapnik Trac: Ticket #519 (Wrong right-to-left rendering if string contains numbers) created | http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/519
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