00:01:55 <ser> how many GB of ram do i need to osm2pgsql planet without -C ?
00:02:51 <ser> i've just noticed 8GB is not enough :-(
00:03:28 <springmeyer> --slim ?
00:05:43 <ser> yes
00:05:51 <ser> i mean without slim
00:06:05 <springmeyer> i think >=12
00:06:43 <ser> thanks :)
00:07:52 <ser> heh and SSD drives as well ;)
00:09:41 <springmeyer> :)
00:27:53 <ser> springmeyer: thanks again, so i am starting --slim 6000 now, another 24 hours...
00:33:15 <springmeyer> good luck! :)
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01:19:19 <ser> what is the difference between tilecache and mapnik ogcserver?
01:51:59 <springmeyer> ser: OGCServer does WMS - so can accept any arbirary bounding box query and is suited to rendering on demand
01:53:06 <springmeyer> TileCache either stands in front of a WMS server to act as a caching service or accepts specific tile URI requests
01:53:20 <springmeyer> like 34/56/23.png
01:54:00 <springmeyer> vs WMS services which accept requests via a QUERY string like ?bbox=-122,48,-120,45
01:55:32 <ser> ok, so i can use mapnik directly in tilecache or call it through ogcserver?
01:55:47 <springmeyer> yes
01:55:58 <springmeyer> or call the ogcserver through tilecache :)
01:56:16 <springmeyer> tilecache does a lot of things :)
01:56:20 <ser> ok, i am slowly trying to understand it - thanks!
01:56:31 <springmeyer> ser - what is your overall goal?
01:56:42 <ser> phd @ gis ;-P
01:57:11 <springmeyer> ah cool
01:57:51 * springmeyer was thinking, are you serving complex data like OSM or more simple data...
01:57:55 <ser> but seriously, currently i am just investigating what interesting i can do with osm what is not available in ordnance survey maps
01:59:14 <springmeyer> okay. gocha
02:00:15 <springmeyer> serving osm with decent speed usually requires pre-generating or caching tiles if you site has much traffic
02:00:20 <ser> and i need a fast wms with osm to compare them
02:00:57 <ser> no, i think i can use tileache through fastcgi and it would be sufficient for my uni research
02:00:58 <springmeyer> so by fast you mean fast dynamic (on demand) rendering?
02:02:17 <ser> definitely dynamic but maybe with memcache, i've just ordered a machine with 64GB ram
02:03:18 * springmeyer faints
02:03:58 <ser> ;-)
02:04:48 <ser> so in such a scenario when i need to render osm through mapnik what imay be an adventage of using ogcserver?
02:05:44 <ser> GetFeatureInfo? GetCapabilities?
02:06:50 <springmeyer> hmm, sure those are features of WMS that are useful, if you need to query the server for info other than the actual tiles
02:07:29 <springmeyer> the main advantage of the ogcserver is the ability to dynamically contruct combinations of layers and styles via the query string
02:07:51 <ser> so after conversion planet-postgres are there any interesting stuff which i can query apart of tiles?
02:08:15 <ser> sorry for stupid and basic questions
02:08:17 * springmeyer needs to head off to dinner
02:08:27 <springmeyer> no worries, talk to you later
02:08:30 <ser> as i am definitely on first stage of understanding
02:08:33 <ser> thanks
02:08:47 <ser> i am going to bed, as here is 3am
02:08:53 <ser> have a good day :)
02:09:01 <springmeyer> thanks
02:09:05 <springmeyer> see ya
02:09:08 <ser> see ya
02:11:35 <ser> btw, i've asked my city to provide me a list of all parking tickets from 2004, including places and registration numbers, just t have a good material to aggregate and present on top of osm
02:11:59 <ser> but they have 20 days to respond ;-D
02:14:51 <ser> it is my first attempt to chekc if the uk freedom of information act is working
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04:52:33 <racicot> springmeyer: you are an animal...
04:54:40 <CIA-6> mapnik-utils: dane.springmeyer * r618 /sandbox/ports/graphics/py25-mapnik/Portfile: another try with the checksums macports thinks it sees
04:54:40 <springmeyer> :)
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05:44:27 <ajturner> CJK fonts?
05:44:34 <ajturner> is that only in 0.6 (congrats btw)
05:46:15 <springmeyer> thx ajturner
05:46:52 <springmeyer> unicode support was in 0.5.x just works better now
05:47:03 <springmeyer> I've heard jburgess mention 'unifont' for osm
05:47:12 <ajturner> so I'm trying to render OSM tiles with 0.5.1 (methinks) and it's not rendering mandarin/japanese...
05:47:30 <springmeyer> boxes?
05:47:42 <ajturner> rectangles - instead of characters
05:48:02 <springmeyer> ya, gocha
05:48:53 <ajturner> easy fix? by dropping in fonts?
05:50:11 <springmeyer> worth a try :)
05:51:24 <springmeyer> if that does not work with unifont next thing to try would be to
05:51:44 <springmeyer> upgrade to 0.6.0 and try the 'fallback' font support:
05:51:46 <springmeyer> http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/FontSet
05:53:26 <ajturner> upgrading to 0.6 isn't an option in this particular instance
05:54:01 <ajturner> where are the add'l fonts? like TSC FMing S TT Regular?
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05:55:00 <springmeyer> up to you to find them, then you'll need to register them with Mapnik, or drop them in the directory where the
05:55:10 <springmeyer> DejaVu fonts are put during install
05:55:39 <springmeyer> >>> from mapnik import paths
05:55:39 <springmeyer> >>> paths.fontscollectionpath
05:55:39 <springmeyer> '/usr/local/lib/mapnik/fonts'
05:56:02 <ajturner> yeah, I have the DejaVu fonts
05:56:24 <ajturner> and there are arabic fonts, but no readily available CJK fonts
05:56:28 <ajturner> ?
05:56:30 <springmeyer> right, just saying that the python bindings automatically register those by their location
05:56:37 <springmeyer> ah
05:56:47 <springmeyer> where to find them, I'm not sure
05:58:00 <springmeyer> http://unifoundry.com/unifont.html
05:58:17 <springmeyer> "he versions with "-jp" in the name preserve Roman Czyborra's original CJK glyphs, which he obtained from a public domain Japanese font."
05:58:41 <ajturner> superb
05:58:42 <ajturner> !
06:02:48 <ajturner> how do you get the name of the font? for example, I assume DejaVuSans.ttf is DejaVu Sans Book
06:02:53 <ajturner> vs. Bold, or Oblique
06:03:00 <ajturner> os the unifont-5.1....ttf
06:03:08 <springmeyer> oh and ajturner: did you see I added ruby binding to the 0.6.0 release?
06:03:13 <ajturner> OH REALLY
06:03:14 <ajturner> I did not
06:03:19 <ajturner> super hot! :)
06:03:24 <ajturner> we were just talkinga bout that today
06:03:47 <springmeyer> and KML printing support too
06:04:44 <ajturner> what does that mean? load via KML and export to image?
06:04:54 <springmeyer> (sorry) only an hour left before april 2
06:05:01 <ajturner> awwww...
06:05:02 * springmeyer ducks
06:05:02 <ajturner> :p
06:05:23 <ajturner> and here I thought you were really rocking it out, instead of just plain rocking it out ;)
06:05:43 <springmeyer> but, would love to see those things happen :)
06:06:05 <ajturner> well, we'll definitely be adding Ruby binding
06:06:07 <ajturner> bindings
06:06:20 <ajturner> maybe KML - running into pain points with Shapefile loading
06:06:43 <ajturner> actually, would like to see loading from Spatiallite :)
06:06:54 <springmeyer> cool, I'd love to see a note on how you'd imagine that working
06:07:04 <springmeyer> ah sqlite - ya it rocks
06:07:17 <springmeyer> I've been playing with a portable osm db in sqlite
06:07:35 <ajturner> oh? yeah, think it can knock off shapefiles and pre-empty File Geodatabases
06:07:40 <ajturner> just need to get it out there and tools using it
06:08:21 <springmeyer> yes. I sure hope so
06:08:36 <springmeyer> geodjango added support this week
06:09:11 <ajturner> nice
06:09:22 <springmeyer> oh, so font names....
06:09:32 <springmeyer> >>> from mapnik import FontEngine>>> for font in FontEngine.face_names():
06:09:32 <springmeyer> ...   print font
06:09:38 <springmeyer> upps
06:10:08 <springmeyer> from mapnik import FontEngine
06:10:08 <springmeyer> for font in FontEngine.face_names():
06:10:08 <springmeyer>    print font
06:11:08 <ajturner> well, my terminal decided to go bonk after I did a cat unifont...
06:11:16 <springmeyer> ajturner: I'm crashing - been at it too long today
06:11:28 <ajturner> yeah, I hear taht - it's well into April 2 for me
06:11:33 <ajturner> thx
06:11:36 <springmeyer> I'd love to hear what you are thinking re ruby and kml sometime soon
06:11:49 <ajturner> def, have something to deliver by end of April
06:11:53 <ajturner> so will be out before then
06:11:53 * springmeyer may be at mapsfromscratch/where2.0
06:11:59 <springmeyer> oh cool
06:12:05 <ajturner> that too
06:12:10 <springmeyer> well, see you here soon them
06:12:59 <springmeyer> good luck with unifont!
06:25:21 <ajturner> awesome! works springmeyer
06:25:22 <ajturner> thx
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14:31:52 <synax> does Map not have an Envelope? m = Map(...), print m.envelope
14:33:08 <synax> nvm... m.envelope()
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15:04:51 <springmeyer> synax: http://svn.mapnik.org/trunk/docs/api_docs/python/mapnik._mapnik.Map-class.html
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